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21 August 2014 @ 01:08 pm
In fanfic, are there just certain characters that you just don't like? Maybe you don't like who they tend to be paired with, or the story-lines they usually get, or you don't even know why but they just rub you the wrong way?

[Star Trek: Spock Prime]For example, I've been reading a lot of Star Trek Kirk/Spock fanfic recently, mostly from the more recent movie verse, as I'm not super familiar with TOS. Anyways, I really just do not like Spock Prime (or Ambassador Spock aka the older AU Spock) as a main character. I don't mind him acting as a side character/mentor etc. But I just don't like him when he become integral to the story.

I think this is mostly because, if he is a big part of the storyline, it is almost always because he had a romantic bond with his Kirk, which then cause all kinds of complicated feeling for this Kirk and Spock. And with my OTP, I just don't want them to have strong emotional romantic attachments to anybody else, even if it is and AU version of themselves. But even if the attachment is subtle and not physical, it oftentimes takes an amazing story, and makes it just okay for me.

[Harry Potter: Scorpius Malfoy]And this happen to varying degrees in other fandoms too. In Harry Potter fics, I just cannot get behind Scorpius, as a character, but especially in a pairing. I can handle him in H/D kid!fics, but I prefer him to be younger. I've read a few Albus/Scorpius fics, but I've just never been able to get into them. I LOVE Draco/Albus, but I've tried reading Harry/Scorpius and it almost actively bothers me (which is super rare for a pairing). And I thought maybe I just don't like the taboo of Harry being with a younger somewhat forbidden character. But I am all about Harry with pretty much any of his children, so it's not like I'm putting Harry on a pedestal.

And I just can't even at all read Scorpius with James or Teddy. Probably because James/Teddy is my next gen OTP and if they are going to be with a guy, they are going to be with one another. Maybe that's my problem. My headcanon for Scorpius is that he is straight (or mostly straight) and he is so often written with guys, even as a side pairing in fics, that I just would rather not read about him at all. I feel bad, because he hasn't really done anything to deserve my dislike.

[Teen Wolf: Laura Hale]In Teen Wolf fic, it's Laura. I think this is because she is almost neevr characterized the way I see her, and she just comes across as really bitchy and pushy and selfish.

IDK. I've just noticed my intense dislike of certain side characters cropping up in stories a lot lately. Sometimes it's honestly to the point where I almost don't even want to rec the fic, because the character and/or their story arc totally ruined things for me. But I feel like oftentimes, my dislike of characters is not at all in line with fandom's general view of them.

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digthewriter: ScorHarrydigthewriter on August 21st, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
Random comment is random.

What you said about Scorpius.

Maybe that's why I choose not to write him... I just can't seem to place him anywhere for me, either.

I did write a James/Scorpius recently it was like 400 words - but only b/c someone had ask for that as a "gift."

I like James/Albus, James/Teddy.

wicked smut goddess: HP: James Sirius (sexy)gracerene on August 21st, 2014 08:25 pm (UTC)
Re: Random comment is random.
Glad I'm not the only one!

Yes, James/Teddy is totally my next gen OTP but I love me some James/Albus!!
ashindkashindk on August 21st, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean. For me it's Ginny. It's not that I have anything in particular against her, it's just that I think she is so extremely boring and two dimensional in canon, that whatever people choose to do with her character, it always strikes me as ooc. Like it's out of character for her to have a personality, or something... *hides from Ginny fans*
I can usually cope with her as a side character, but I never miss her when she's not in a fic.

I love Scorpius, though. So many possibilities! You can make him all twisted and f*ed up, or you can turn him into a total opposite of Draco. The possibilities are endless. And he belongs with Albus (but he's okay with Rose too, if you prefer het).

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wicked smut goddess: HP: Albusgracerene on August 21st, 2014 08:30 pm (UTC)

I totally know what you mean about Ginny though. She was so undeveloped in canon but so present in canon at the same time, that it's sort of hard to know what to do w/ her.

And if I were to read a Scorpius fic, it would definitely be AS/S. But I think because I am such a fan of H/D, and I am obsessed,/i> with James/Teddy, also having Albus/Scorpius is a little too "Big Gay Hogwarts" for me (which is not a trope I like much). So if he's a side pairing in a fic, I tend to prefer het for him. But I'm not that interested in actually reading him w/ Rose. Does that make any sense? LOL, ramble forever...
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쉘리 Unmistakably Oatmealsdkshelly on August 21st, 2014 08:33 pm (UTC)
I can relate to a lot of what you have to say about Spock prime as basically that's the reason I can't read/write Draco/Al or Harry/Scorpius. Harry/Draco is my OTP and I can't deal with them being with each other's sons, even if it's just a smutty one-off or something. I can write them separately--I have a lot of Harry pairings I love, for example, but then I want Draco nowhere near those stories or else I want them to turn into threesomes, LOL. For me, most of the time, if I'm writing them apart, the other doesn't exist, if that makes sense? So having Draco/Al for example--I can't erase Harry from that equation because Harry is Al's father so then I just hurt because Harry and Draco aren't together. Of course, I am super weird. LOL

But that doesn't really answer your question. I enjoy Scorpius, actually, but I really like the idea of him with Lily Luna. I could not tell you why!

I can't really think of a character that I just don't like though. I don't like if Ginny is around just so she can be bashed, but that's a whole different can of worms I think! Seamus used to be used as a foil to H/D back in the day--I noticed he cropped up a lot, mostly to flirt with Harry and to make Draco jealous and that always annoyed the crap out of me. But it's not poor Seamus' fault, lol. Also, Zach Smith. Gosh, I've even done this myself, so I'm a total hypocrite, but I don't like him randomly popping up in H/D fics either.
wicked smut goddessgracerene on August 21st, 2014 08:44 pm (UTC)
That totally makes sense! I'm actually similiar when I read fics. I ship Harry and Draco with several other HP guys, but if I'm reading a Harry/Ron fic, I prefer to not even have Draco mentioned at all. Like, this is a world in which Draco does not even exist. So I totally see how that would affect your ability with their sons, since you can't really suspend that belief there. So interesting!

I love the idea of Scorpius with Rose, just because I love thinking of poor Draco and Ron's reactions.
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anemonenanemonen on August 21st, 2014 08:51 pm (UTC)
I feel a bit that way about Charlie, actually. *hides*
I mean, I can read fics with him, but I won't unless I've seen it very warmly recced. I'm not quite sure why, maybe it's that he's often portrayed as a sex god and I didn't really see him as that in canon. To me he's more of an outdoorsy, stocky, smiling animal-lover who's obsessed with dragons and don't have any interest for much else. I don't mind him as a side character, though :)

I do love Scorpius. Like ashindk said, he has so many possibilities! I kind of feel that way about all the next-gen kids though. Love them all ♥
wicked smut goddess: HP: Charlie Weasleygracerene on August 21st, 2014 09:06 pm (UTC)
You don't like Charlie! *gasp*

You know, I personally love sex god Charlie, but I can totally see how if you didn't, it would be hard to like him in fics, since that seems to be the de facto characterization.

And yeah, I seem to be the only one who just can';t get behind Scorpius. I keep trying him out though, hoping that maybe this fic will be the one to change my mind!
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nia_kantorka: pic#123879970nia_kantorka on August 21st, 2014 09:00 pm (UTC)
Ah, you're asking the most wonderful questions :)

I have no problem with Harry and Scorpius (or Draco/Albus, Draco/James) or one of them with Teddy. Or the next gen boys with one another.
The ship I tend to avoid is Remus/Sirius. I normally love the best friends to lovers trope but not here. Maybe it's because of the werwolf/animagus on top of the best friends theme. It feels very facile (is that the right word?), like too easy and a bit plain.

And I can see why Ginny doesn't held so much appeal for fanon stories. Her character is kind of strong but flat at the same time. I like her as a side character but I don't miss her, if she isn't present in a fic.

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wicked smut goddess: HP: Sirius Blackgracerene on August 21st, 2014 09:12 pm (UTC)
So far, I haven't been able to get into Remus/Sirius either. I think my problem with it is that, in canon, Remus thought Sirius was the traitor and Sirius thought Remus was the traitor. And even though Sirius figured out it was Peter, Remus continued thinking Sirius was aligned w/ Voldemort for 13 years. And that's just too much angst for a "best friends to lovers" ship. At least for me.

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Keeper of the Cocks: Equustorino10154 on August 21st, 2014 09:02 pm (UTC)
I think things that break your OTP are understandably hard to read. So most of your aversion to Scorpius, either in relation to H/D or Teddy/James is logical. And TBH one reason I don't do Harry/Scorpius is I do think it would take a lot for Harry to think dating anyone his children's age was appropriate. Draco, on the other hand, I feel could go for a younger, "trophy" partner.

There are other characters that end up frequently in the same roles. Say, so and so as the match maker or Pansy as Draco's BFF and confessor. In some ways it does make sense, but it's a bit tired to me. Of course, when people mix it up and suddenly Harry's BFF is Pansy, I wonder about that too. LOL So easy to please, I am. :P
wicked smut goddess: HP: Albus (sexy)gracerene on August 21st, 2014 09:09 pm (UTC)
I do think it would take a lot for Harry to think dating anyone his children's age was appropriate. Draco, on the other hand, I feel could go for a younger, "trophy" partner. --> This.

But I totally get what you mean about certain characters and their "fanon" roles. Sometimes it seems a bit overdone, but then when people try to switch things up, it just seems like their trying to hard.
Reckless Passionlauren3210 on August 21st, 2014 09:16 pm (UTC)
I have to say, I don't think there is a single HP character that I cannot get on board with in fic. I have pairings I can't deal with; H/D is my otp and I can't even think of them with anyone else even for pure entertainment value, it makes my chest literally ache tbh. I also find that I struggle to get on board with 'canon' pairings that we've later been told about, like Neville/Hannah and Luna/Rolf, but I think that's more my stubbornness showing through ("oh yeah? you wanna TELL me about all this and expect me to just go with it? nope, not happening" LOL).

As for Teen Wolf, I know what you mean about Laura, because a lot of times in fic she comes across as this overbearing, unnecessarily bitchy character. For me though, it's Isaac, but I think that has less to do with the character itself and more to do with the writing (because the way they treated - or didn't treat - his abuse s/l was awful tbh). I'm okay if he's just casually mentioned, but I always find my lip curling up in a sneer whenever he actually has anything to say in a fic, lol.
wicked smut goddess: TW: Sterek (season 1)gracerene on August 21st, 2014 09:28 pm (UTC)
Haha, yeah that totally makes sense!

And I'm glad you see the Laura thing too! I'm honestly not a huge Isaac fan either, but I think it's mostly pairing-based for me, since I really, really, really dislike Scott/Isaac or Allison/Isaac/Scott. And I'm not really and Allison/Isaac perso either. And since if he's in a fic, he is almost always in one of those three pairings, I just have a hard time liking his story arcs. I think he's a difficult character to get a handle on, honestly.
Josephine Stonejosephinestone on August 21st, 2014 09:21 pm (UTC)
There are so many characters I don't like, but they aren't in things that I love to begin with most the time. If I don't like the character then, I tend to not like the book. Harry Potter is the exception to this (not liking some characters but still overall liking the book), but that is probably because of the sheer number of characters in it.

I just read this book called Need. I could not stand the main character of that book, and that type of main character is pretty common in YA which I read quite a bit of. So, you know, lots of characters there I don't like.

Most of the time the characters I can't stand are simply badly written. It's rare to run into a well written character than I can't stand. I probably wouldn't like a character like Hannibal though, which is why I've never watched those. Gives me the creeps, and not in a way that I can handle or think is creepy but interesting.

As for fandom characters . . . they are all so different, that it would be hard for me to put my finger on it. Someone mentioned a flirty Seamus, and that just depends on how it's done for me but I'm not a huge fan of random Harry gen boy trying to get with Harry to annoy Draco, either.

Luna is difficult to write, so many times it is hard to read her in fic because she feels so out of character. But she is difficult to keep in character, I think. People tend to go over board one way or another. Either every other sentence out of her mouth is some weird creature she made up as if the girl can't talk about anything else, or they ignore that she is odd at all and she comes off as really naive.

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wicked smut goddess: HP: Quibbler (Luna)gracerene on August 21st, 2014 09:32 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that totally makes sense! There are definitely a lot more characters that I don't like, simply because they just weren't well-written or the way they were written is just unlikeable.

I'm always so amazed by the sheer number of characters in HP. It really is pretty staggering when I actually sit down and think about it.

eta: And I totally feel you on Luna! She's a hard character to write well and I find myself either loving her or hating her on fic, depending on how the author utilizes her.

Edited at 2014-08-21 09:33 pm (UTC)
huldrejentahuldrejenta on August 21st, 2014 09:42 pm (UTC)
Isn't that funny how we sometimes like or dislike characters or pairings that we really don't know very much about in canon. Personally I like Scorpius, and I do like him with Albus, but I'm not terribly fond of fics where it's Big Gay Hogwarts, like you say. Either Albus/Scorpius or Teddy/James, at least as main pairings.

I do have some of those feeling towards Pansy, though. I know she's rather popular, but I think my problem with her is that she's very often written in this one way that I find very little of in canon. I don't at all mind writing our own versions of characters we don't see much in canon, or sometimes not at all even, but it seems to me that she's so often cast in one particular role.

I'm having a little trouble getting into Harry and Draco with the other one's children as well. Possibly because I'm still on honeymoon with H/D as a pairing, lol, so I don't like seeing them with anyone else ;)
wicked smut goddess: HP: H/Dgracerene on August 21st, 2014 09:47 pm (UTC)
That's why I'm so perplexed by my dislike of Scorpius. There is no reason for me to dislike him. We know next to nothing about him. But he just rubs me the wrong way. I feel a bit guilty tbh.

Pansy can definitely be a bit hit or miss for me. I tend to like her in smaller doses.

LOL, honeymoon is the perfect way to describe it! I honestly get that way whenever I enter into a new fandom/get a new OTP. There is this grace period where I just mainline fic and I can't even think about reading them with anybody else. And then slowly I start dipping my toes into other pairings, just to test the waters.
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welcome to villa cariño!capitu on August 21st, 2014 10:00 pm (UTC)
I don't quite relate to this. I mean, definitely there are characters that I don't particularly care one way or the other, but none like that, that gets to me and ruins my enjoyment of a story because they are there paired with someone, or simply part of the fic.

But I know it happens, a lot, too! And I always feel for that poor character. lol
wicked smut goddessgracerene on August 21st, 2014 11:12 pm (UTC)
I was actually thinking of you a bit when I was writing this, because I know you like Scorpius, and I figured this wouldn't really apply to you. :D

I love how open you are with your likes! Sometimes I wish I was less picky.
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Vaysh Swiftstormvaysh on August 21st, 2014 10:04 pm (UTC)
I am sooooo tempted to rec Scorpius fics to you but I won't. I love writing him, and have written him in very different, even opposing characterisations (but with a similar core personality, I think). I can see him gay or straight. I haven't managed to enjoy Harry/Scorpius as a romantic and/or erotic couple, either, but for me it really is because it doesn't make sense to me that Harry would fall for a man who is so much younger than himself.
wicked smut goddess: HP: Harry (sexy)gracerene on August 21st, 2014 11:08 pm (UTC)
Do it! As long as it isn't Harry/Scorpius or James/Scorpius, which I just don't think I can read...I actually feel kind of bad for my semi-irrational dislike of him, so I keep trying to read things hoping it'll change my mind!

But yes! I just don't see Harry being into younger men. I think it's why I have a hard time reading him with Teddy as well (whereas I love Draco/Teddy).
kedavranoxkedavranox on August 21st, 2014 10:32 pm (UTC)
Haha. This is a good topic.

I like Scorpius sometimes. I can take Harry/Scorpius easier than I can take Draco/AlbusSeverus for some reason.

I have this weird thing where I can see Harry with other people, but not Draco. LOL.

To answer your question, I don't like random characters who nobody knows anything about as a main pairing in a fic. I will rarely, if not ever read about them. Like. I'm not talking rare pairs, but literally random nobodies who turn up in some fics sometimes. Like Orion/Walpurga or characters like Marietta Edgecombe being super awesome and nice and perfect and marrying Harry or something. Haha.

wicked smut goddess: HP: Harry (sexy)gracerene on August 21st, 2014 11:05 pm (UTC)
LOL, I kind of expected nobody to respond to this, so I'm super happy people are into it!

See, I'm pretty much the opposite, I don't mind Draco w/ other people, but I really don't like Harry with anybody else.

But I totally feel you about random characters just inserted. There is this H/D fic that had Romilda become fairly prominent and awesome, and I was just...WTF? Where did this come from?
eggplant xerxes crybaby overbite narwalgryffindorj on August 21st, 2014 11:05 pm (UTC)
I think with Harry being with one of his kids ends up in the fucked up fic category. So you take it the story is fucked up so you can go there. When it's him and Scorpius it isn't fucked. He's never fucking Scorpius to get back at Draco or anything. It's this sweet loving thing and it's hard to get there because Scorpius is a mini-Draco so wy not just fuck Draco? That leads me to Scorpius is Draco in mini so *yawn* can we just read Draco? That's pretty much how it works for me.

I don't like Harry with younger people in general unless the fucked up mentioned above. Like Harry with Teddy does NOTHING for me at all. I read one fic I liked and the rest can go away. Harry with a contemporary or older I'm all over though.

The passion in the replies here is the best!
wicked smut goddessgracerene on August 21st, 2014 11:10 pm (UTC)
This comment is like exactly my thoughts. You just nailed it right on the head I think. Seriously, like chills with how much this speaks to me!

Yeah, the only time I enjoy Harry w/ a younger guy is his kids, and that's totally for the dirtyhotwrong of it all. Not like, romance of the century.

But I totally love him with his age or older.
Dicta Contriondicta_contrion on August 22nd, 2014 02:04 am (UTC)
Oh, yes! Yes, I've got one. Probably an unpopular one, but Sirius. Especially in the context of Harry/Sirius. I'm generally okay when it's R/S, but solo Sirius or H/S...no. I just end up feeling like there's something off and not in a good way. When Sirirus is a-ok and dishing out advice I'm confused. This is a guy who spent 12 years being kind of psychologically tortured in prison, starting as a college-aged semi-kid, who never had a chance to mature. How is he going to be able to be any kind of adult figure in a meaningful way? But if he's a mess or a jerk I just get impatient with him for taking shit out on Harry or being jealous/needy/dramatic.

And then Harry/Sirius...it's some of the same stuff people have said about Harry/Scorpius. It's hard for me to imagine Harry going for it with someone who he's supposed to have this familial bond with, who's supposed to be a parental figure. I can't imagine Harry making that move or being okay with it if Sirius did. Family means too much to him and he's too hungry for adult guidance to be comfortable crossing those lines. I imagine it being really sad and confusing and upsetting for him. And then, given Sirius' general lack of adult experiences/development, it looses the sexydirtywrong aspect as well, because I can't imagine that Sirius is aware of the boundaries and is actively turned on by transgressing, so much as that he's not really sure whether he's 18 or 30/whether Harry is a peer or a charge.

And when I first read the books I loved and adored Sirius, so I don't think it's a question of JKR's Sirius, but of not loving how he's portrayed/overthinking it. But man. I get wary when I see Sirius around outside of R/S.

(Also young Teddy but I have not one single clue about why that is.)
wicked smut goddess: HP: Teddy Lupingracerene on August 22nd, 2014 02:51 am (UTC)
Oo, interesting...See I'm basically the exact opposite with that ship, because I see Harry's hunger for adult guidance getting confused with his teenage hormonal development. And then it's just this jumbled confused mess of all the feelings for Sirius. But that transitions into the dirtyhotwrong for me.

BUT I can totally see where you are coming from. Because I definitely agree that Sirius really isn't necessarily a fully developed adult, and I can definitely see the whole "sexy older man seduces his best friend's son" thing isn't as hot when the "sexy older man" has the kind of baggage that Sirius does.

Man, I love how varied my f-lists interests are. I mean, I have likes in common with everybody, but I kind of love learning where our interests differ. :)

And I really feel you with young Teddy as well. It might just be that I tend not to love kid!fic, but young Teddy tends to bother me more than the other children. Older Teddy on the other hand...
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DracoGotGamedracogotgame on August 22nd, 2014 06:50 am (UTC)
I confess I have a major soft spot for Scorpius. But as a baby or a small boy, mostly.

To tell the truth, I find it difficult to really see any of the next gen characters as fully developed characters with pairings and stuff- we saw so little of them in the Epilogue.

I can't ship...any of the next gen boys together. I just see them all growing up as one big family, including Teddy. Partners in crime, maybe. Lovers? Not so much...

It really limits my pairing choices but I see 'em as I see 'em XD

There are a few characters I just can't write:

Fred and George. I can't get their twin vibe down and it irks me.

Percy. I'm sorry, he's just so boring. I don't even know how to begin writing him, and I definitely can't read any Percy centric fics.

And Luna; which is not to say that I won't write her as much as I can't. She's just so special. Every time I write her, I feel guilty of caricaturizing her.

Edited at 2014-08-22 06:51 am (UTC)
wicked smut goddess: HP: Quibbler (Luna)gracerene on August 22nd, 2014 03:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I can totally see that. I actually didn't get into reading Next Gen fic for the longest time for that same reason. I just didn't feel like there was enough canon evidence to get a feel for their characters. LOL, but I've sort of formed my own head canon now!

And I am right there with you for Fred, George, Percy, and Luna. Percy I just find boring and not at all sexy, so I can't get into him in a pairing. And I love Luna, but she's really hard to nail down.